John Noonan and Hannah Lynch

Hannah Lynch was the daughter of Maurice Lynch and his wife, Mary Moynihan, who lived in Listowel, a town near the Southwest coast of Ireland in County Kerry. Griffiths Valuation for 1852 indicates the Lynch family lived at a place called Glanaphuca, a street near the river which is now a carpark.

The shipping records for the “Anglo Saxon” which arrived on October 24, 1854 indicate that Hannah’s parents, Maurice and Mary were both dead (perhaps because of the Great Irish Famine), but that Hannah’s brothers, Andrew and Maurice (a former convict) were already in Australia and living in Hartley, near Lithgow. Aged twenty-one, and a cook, she came along with her brother, sister-in-law and their child. They were all remittance immigrants. Co-incidentally, she was on the same ship which carried James and Mary Goward who were also my g-g-parents through a different line.

Between 1848 and 1870 there were two methods opens to Irish women of gaining a government-assisted passage to NSW. Under the Assisted Immigrant of Act of 1852 (NSW), she was obliged to pay Đ1 to the Commissioners towards her fare, to provide herself with a sea chest of stipulated clothing for the voyage and to pay her fare from home to a port in Ireland where she could obtain a cross-channel steamer to the port of departure in the United Kingdom. The cross-channel fare and all her other travel costs were paid by the NSW government. She would also have been obliged to sign an indenture binding herself to seek employment in NSW and form her wages, over two years, pay back the Đ13 it had cost the colony to provider her with a passage. Alternatively, she could pay the money and be free to do as she wished on arrival in Sydney .

According to the shipping records, Hannah Lynch was a cook and she could both read and write. However, the historian, Richard Reid, in “Irish Female Assisted Immigration”, published in Irish Women In Colonial Australia (edited by Trevor McClaughlin), argues that such statements need to be taken with a grain of salt. He argues that many of the assisted immigrants had no history of work at all and that many were looking for their first paid employment. He also argues that many of those who said they could read and write were unable to sign their own names.

Under the name Honorah, it appears that she married James Hayes very soon after her arrival in Australia (V1854699 100/1854). In fact, considering the timing, you have to wonder if there might have been some arrangement for a marriage already in place. Or, it might just be that arriving in Australia from a background in poverty, marriage was just the thing you did.

James Hayes (also originally from Ireland) had come to Australia with his family on the Sir George Seymour which left Falmouth (Cornwall) on December 26, 1851 (?) and arrived in Sydney on March 22, 1852 (NSW Records 2136, 2463). The shipping records lists the following members of the Hayes family as Daniel (40) and Hannah (39), James (19), John (23), Margaret (14), Mary (17), Michael (22), and Patrick (24).

James and Hannah married at St Mary’s in 1854 (V1854699 100/1854) and they had three children together: Hannah (registered as Ann) V18563918 72/1856; Mary 2580/1856 (at St George); and James V18593658 142B/1859 (at St George). James Hayes died on September 18 1860 at George St, Redfern 580/1860.

Sometime over the next few years, Hannah relocated from Sydney to Braidwood which is where she married John Noonan on April 26, 1867 (1725/1867) under the name Hannah Hayes. As to how and why she ended up there, I don’t know at this stage. I note there’s a Michael and Ellen Hayes who had children in Braidwood around this time. Perhaps this was Hannah’s brother and sister in law?

There is some debate amongst those researching the origin of John Noonan. If you have further information which can clarify things, please comment.

SCENARIO ONE:

There is a shipping record for a John Noonan who came to Australia (along with his brother, Daniel) as an Assisted Immigrant in 1858. Leaving Liverpool, England on March 10, 1858 on board the Herald Of The Morning, they arrived in Sydney in June 25, 1858. It is possible, though totally unconfirmed, they come from Scrowmore, Kilbeheny, Limerick, bordering on County Cork.

The shipping records indicate they were both Catholic, farm labourers from Limerick, Ireland and that neither could read nor write. They were Assisted Immigrants, which means their passage was subsidised or paid for through one of the several assisted immigration schemes which operated to New South Wales from the United Kingdom and other countries.

They were, undoubtedly, looking for gold as they soon headed to Araluen, near Braidwood, NSW and listed at marriage their occupations as Gold Miners.

Daniel married Mary Conroy, born in County Clare, the daughter of John Conroy and Mary Waters (both born in Ireland) on October 10, 1868, at Araluen. They had two children; Johanna and Margaret. Daniel died on September 5, 1900 and was buried on September 6, 1900 at Araluen. Mary died on October 25, 1920 and was buried on October 26, 1920 at Araluen, NSW.

SCENARIO TWO:

A couple of researchers have located …

shipping records for an Ellen Noonan aged 50 and her 3 children, Daniel 30yrs, Mary 22yrs and Ellen 20 yrs. They arrived from Tipperary in Jan. 1860 on board the Alfred. They were remittance passengers. We think John had arrived ealier and helped pay their way. Pat found an indication that John sponsored Ellen, widow, Daniel, Mary and Ellen. A deposit was made by a John Noona(i)n on the 7/3/1859. There is a film for this but I haven’t seen it. The family settled in Araluen. On Ellen’s death certificate (1875 age 61) it states she has 2 sons and 2 daughters living. It also says she has 4 boys and 5 girls deceased! Her spouse is listed as Matthew Noonan. She married in Ireland when she was 17. At John and Hannah’s wedding the witnesses were a Daniel and Ellen Noonan both who made their mark. The shipping records state that Daniel and Ellen could not read or write.
Daniels d.c states he was 70 in 1900 and he’d been in Aust. for 40 years which fits with the 1860 shipping records If this is the right family them John would have arrived about 1856 and been about 24 years old but like the Herald of the Morning John Noonan we haven’t been able to track him down.

Under this second scenario, there is evidence John Noonan came from Tipperary.

SCENARIO THREE:

Recently, researcher Lyn Byrne has also raised the prospect of John have coming to Australia in 1841 with his parents. She writes “My grandfather was Patrick Francis Noonan Son of Joseph Noonan and Mary Smith. I have records from National Archives which have Timothy Noonan and Wife Elira travelling to Australia from Limerick Ireland. They arrived in 1841 on Portland They had 4 children Timothy John Thomas and Ellen. I believe the son John married Hannah Hayes. Very excited to find your web site thank you”

These are the shipping records she has located…

John Noonan arrived on Portland Shipping Records No. 1
John Noonan arrived on Portland Shipping Records No. 1
John Noonan arrived on Portland Shipping Records No. 2
John Noonan arrived on Portland Shipping Records No. 2
John Noonan arrived on Portland Shipping Records No. 3
John Noonan arrived on Portland Shipping Records No. 3

Do you have any information which could clarify any of these scenarios?

THE STORY CONTINUES…

For at least 10 years after their marriage John and Hannah continued to live at Araluen and this was where their children were born.

While John’s brother, Daniel continued to live in the area until his death in 1900, John and Hannah at some stage moved to the Bega District (probably about 1885, according to the Electoral Rolls).

After arriving at Bega, they lived at Candelo (spelled Nunan on the 1886-1887 Electoral Roll) and then at Carralla at Sandy Creek, near Candelo (according to the 1892-1893 Electoral Roll)

Hannah died on March 26, 1900 at Buckejo (4767/1900) and was buried the following day at Candelo. I cannot locate a death notice in “The Bega Standard” unfortunately.

John Noonan Death

Aged 74, John died on October 6, 1904 and was buried the following day at Candelo (12748/1904). His death was reported in “The Bega Standard” on Tuesday, October 11, 1904.

Mr. John Noonan, an old resident of Candelo district, died at the residence of his daughter, Mrs. James Collins, on Thursday, aged 74 years. The funeral which took place at Candelo on Friday was largely attended.

Although I haven’t cited his death certificate, he apparently died of chronic nephritis, which is a chronic inflammation of the tissues of the kidney.

Unfortunately, his death record (and that of his brother Daniel) lists only the name of his father, Matthew, so far making the search for information about his earlier life in Ireland difficult to confirm details. So far.

Children

* Mary Noonan was born April 30, 1868 at Araluen West, NSW (7326/1868). She married James Collins on September 11, 1893 at Candelo NSW. She died on April 1, 1953 at Lismore and was buried in the RC Cemetery at East Lismore. With thanks to Ted Noonan’s site, their children were Annie Alice Collins
(born Candelo 1895, died LIsmore 1954), James Lawrence Collins (born Candelo 1900), and buried September 10, 1974 at Lismore) and Leo Patrick Francis Collins (born at Candelo on April 18, 1904) and died at Lismore on October 27, 1955.

Her funeral notice appeared in “The Northern Star”

COLLINS – The funeral of MARY COLLINS will move from St Carthage’s Cathedral, Lismore, TODAY (WEDNESDAY) following a service commencing at 11am for the Roman Catholic portion of the Lismore Cemetery. WILL RILEY AND SON Funeral Directors.

On March 31, 1953, The Nothern Star reported…

MRS. MARY COLLINS: The death occurred in Lismore yesterday morning of Mrs. Mary Collins (83), a resident of 114 Alexander Parade, North Lismore. Mrs. Collins was born on the South Coast, and as a young woman came to the Richmond River and had since lived in the Lismore district. She is survived by two sons, James (North Lismore) and Leo Collins (South Lismore). One daughter, Mrs. A. Hayward (North Lismore), and one sister, Mrs. J. O’Brien (South Lismore). The funeral will move from St. Carthage’s Cathedral, Lismore, on Wednesday, following a service commencing at 11 a.m., for the Lismore cemetery.

On April 2, 1953, The Nothern Star reported…

MRS MARY COLLINS – Mrs Mary Collins who died in Lismore on Monday was buried yesterday morning in the Roman Catholic portion of the Lismore Cemetery. A service was conducted in St Carthage’s Cathedral Lismore by Rev Father P. Galligan, who also conducted the service at the graceside. The pall bearers at the Cathedral were Jim and Leo Collins (sons), Kevin, Vince, Mick and Sam Hayward, and at the cemetery, Leo Collins, Kevin, Mick and Sam Hayward, L Layton and Peter Birrell. The funeral arrangements were carried out by Will Riley and Son

* Matthew Noonan was born September 4, 1870 at Braidwood, NSW (7718/1870).

* Joseph Noonan was born about 1875 at Braidwood, NSW. He married Mary Smith on February 7, 1895 at Bega. He also married Maude Lillian Easdown on October 22, 1913 at Casino. He died on May 18, 1926 at Collins Creek, near Kyogle. With thanks to Ted Noonan’s website, there is a list of the children from both marriages.

1st Marriage – Mary Smith on February 7, 1895 at Bega
1. John Joseph NOONAN
2. Denis James NOONAN
3. Matthew Augustine NOONAN
4. Michael Sebastian NOONAN
5. Patrick Francis NOONAN

2nd Marriage – Maude Lillian Easdown on October 22, 1913 at Casino
1. Thomas Ettrick NOONAN (Died at Kyogle on March 17, 1989)
2. Florence Emma Mary NOONAN
3. George Edmund NOONAN
4. Charles Hamilton NOONAN (Died at Toowoomba on March 20, 1989)
5. William Albert Allenby NOONAN
6. boy NOONAN
7. Ellen Kathleen NOONAN
8. Lena Joan NOONAN

The following two funeral notices demonstrate a common family trait: to call people by their second name or a variation of their first, or something totally differet altogether.

NOONAN, THOMAS ETTRICK – March 17, 1988 at the Cedars Nursing Home, Casino late of Colin St, Kyogle. Loved brother of Lillian Hayes (dec’d), Mary Moor (Urbenville), George (dec’d), Charlie (Toowoomba), Bill (dec’d), Nell Reeves (Collins Creek), Joan Coleman (Sydney) and loved uncle of their families. Aged 73 years. Relatives and friends are invited to attend his funeral to leave Our Lady of Sorrows Catholic Church, Kyogle, TOMORROW (SATURDAY) after a service commencing at 10.00am for the Kyogle Lawn Cemetery. AC. RAYMOND Funeral Services, FDA NSW Ph Kyogle 321720

NOONAN, CHARLES – Of Joyce Street, Toowoomba, formerly of Kyogle, passed away 20/3/89, loved husband of Nancy, loved father and father-in-law and Pop of Debbie, Billy, Mike and Jenny Groth and Loban and Sandy, loved brother and brother-in-law of Lil Hayes (dec), Tom (dec), Mary Moore (Urbenville), Nell Reeves (Kyogle), Bill and Joan Coleman (Sydney), George (dec), Bill (dec). Interred Toowoomba 20/3/89. RIP

* Ellen Noonan (Lena) was born 1876 at Braidwood, NSW (8810/1876). She married James Joseph O’Brien at Bega in 1895 (717/1895). Their first child, Matthew James (known as Robert) was born at Candelo in 1896 (2309/1896). The birth records for their other children indicate they lived at a number of locations around the South East including Bemboka (1898 and 1899), Candelo (1900), Bega (1901 and 1905). Soon after the birth of their daughter Mary, the family moved to the NSW North Coast, probably in about 1908 or 1909. They continued to farm at Ettrick until the early 1920s. Over the next ten years they lived at a number of locations including Boorie Creek (1926), 89 Bridge Street North Lismore (on the right hand side, just past the pub as you head towards RRHS) (1928), James Joseph O’Brien died on the weekend of June 10-11, 1944 and was buried in an unmarked grave in the East Lismore Cemetery on Monday, June 12. Throughout the 1940s, Lena continued to live at the house in Kyogle Street, along with her son and daughter-in-law, Albert and Bertha. She died at Lismore in May 1953 (21816/1953) and is buried with her husband and son, Matthew in an unmarked grave in the East Lismore Cemetery.

Notes

1. Griffiths Valuation 1851 lists a “Matthew Noonan” (the name of Daniel and John’s father according to their death certificate) as well as a “John Noonan” both living Scrowmore, Kilbeheny, Limerick. There is also a Timothy and a William in Scrowmore. There are only three listings for a Matthew Noonan in the whole of County Kerry, and all three are in Scrowmore, so it’s possible, though not guaranteed they were from Scrowmore, which is located in Kerry, not far from County Cork. This needs further investigation, as Noonan was the third most common surnames in Kilbeheny in 1851, with a total of 25 households with the name Noonan. Graveyard records for Kilbeheny spell the name Nunan.

2. I received the following information from Listowel Library, following a request for information about Glanafhuca, where Hannah’s family lived in 1852 according to the Griffiths Valuation.

The Information you require can be found in J.Anthony Gaughan’s book Listowel and its Vicinity.

Pound Lane seems to be the main street with Church street and Glanafhuca branching off it.

Glanafhuca runs west from Pound Lane. It is named after a spirt which at one time haunted this area. It extends on one side as far as the Ballybunion road and on the other almost to a point opposite the Presentation convent.

3. There appears to have been a siginificant number of famine orphans from Listowel including one called Johanna Hayes. Perhaps there was a Listowel connection to James Hayes, her first husband?

4. Hannah’s First Husband was James Hayes. James Hayes (originally from Ireland) came to Australia with his family on the Sir George Seymour which left Falmouth (Cornwall) on December 26, 1851 (?) and arrived in Sydney on March 22, 1852 (NSW Records 2136, 2463). The shipping records lists the following members of the Hayes family as Daniel (40) and Hannah (39), James (19), John (23), Margaret (14), Mary (17), Michael (22), and Patrick (24). James and Hannah married at St Mary’s in 1854 (V1854699 100/1854) and they had three children together: Hannah (registered as Ann) V18563918 72/1856; Mary 2580/1856 (at St George); and James V18593658 142B/1859 (at St George). James Hayes died on September 18 1860 at George St, Redfern 580/1860. Note, the death record says James was 26 years old when they married, but this just doesn’t add up. That said, ages on certificates tended to be fairly rubbery in these days.

Sharing Around: Please feel free to copy any of the information on this page which may help you in your own research. My feeling is that family research is hard enough, without the need to constantly re-invent the wheel. It would be great, however, if you’d leave a comment below just to say “hi”.

62 Comments

  1. Hi James,
    I really liked your piece beautifully concise and well written. Thanks. Great to see a genealogist/family historian try to give good references and acknowledge their debt to the work of others. Not to mention your admirable command of the technology.

  2. Trevor, thank you very much for your kind email. One of the things I’m quite excited about at the moment, technology wise is the Google books application which is also unearthing many works which haven’t been readily available in Australia Thank you also for your own terrific work in this area. I’m not sure if you recall or not, but I interviewed you a number of years ago in my other life as an ABC broadcaster. Cheers, James

  3. Thanks for publishing all this. We are interested in Upper Arulen (Callagahans and M*loneys). Seems a lot of Irish from the western counties found their ways there.

    I’m intrigued both by the great land distances these peopkie trecked into impenetrable wilderness and by the connections across even greater distances. FYI there was a Moloney/Noonan connection in the late 1800s in South Australia. THose Moloneys (and perhaps the Noonans too, disembarked at Pt Fairy in Victoria and travelled overland with cattle into South Australia and then on to the Junee district of NSW. For some reason I don’t recall, I think some of them then settled in the Goulburn Braidwood district.

  4. James,
    I am searching for the death of James Hayes, convict, who was the second husband of my convict ancestor, Elizabeth Banks (nee Berry). I’m not having any success with my James, but have purchased the death certificate for your James Hayes (another wrong one for me) who married Honorah Lynch. James died 18 Sep 1860, George St, Redfern (parents Daniel Hayes & Hannah Hinchey). Certificate lists 3 children of the marriage, Hannah 5, Mary 3, James 2. States they were married St Marys Sydney when James was 26 years. As he was 32 years at death in 1860 (born c. 1828) the marriage would have been c. 1854. James was from Ireland and had been in NSW 8 years in 1860. I would be happy to copy or scan certificate to send to you. Send me an address via email and I’ll forward on.

  5. Hello Colleen,
    Thank you for your email and your kind offer. A scan of the certificate would be great. As I’m not actually descended from James I’ve never bothered, so a scan would would be terrific. Good luck with your research and I hope you eventually find the right James Hayes.
    Cheers
    James

  6. I too am interested in Noonan family but apparently a differant line. Mine is from John Edmund Noonan & Mar Ann O’Brien, both from Waterford Ireland and arrived in aust 1854 supposedly on ship “Mpbil” but i’m yet to confirm this. Would be happy to hear from you particularly if you have any details of this link
    cheers

    1. Hi Richard,
      John Edmund Noonan and Mary Anne O’Brien were my g-g-grandparents. They were married in Waterford in 1851 and came to Australia on the Mobile in 1854. I am a descendant of their son Michael John who was born in Melbourne in 1858.
      I would be happy to let you have all the information I have collected abaout them.

  7. I am researching the HAYES family who seem to come from braidwood……James E J Hayes b,1877 Braidwood d,1943 Adelong NSW married Elizabeth Paton 1899 Gundagai NSW James Father is listed as Michael Hayes Mother is either Kathleen ??? or Catherine Maher if seems to be any connection please email me

    1. Hi Jennifer,
      My gggrand father John Hayes (carpenter) was married to Margaret McKennay/McKenney from Nth Ireland. They were living in Braidwood NSW in 1880 and I’m not sure if they stayed or left. I’ve read online the council lost the old parish records which explains why I can’t find reference to them in Births, Deaths and Marriages. Do you know of other places online that deal with Braidwoods past?

      Cheers!

  8. Richard
    John Edmund Noonan and Mary Anne O’Brien were my g-g-grandparents. They married in Waterford in 1851 and came to Australis onboard the Mobile in 1854. I am a descendant of their son Michael John who was born in Melbourne in 1858.
    I’d be happy to share any information i have on them
    Cheers
    Jennifer

  9. i am looking for james o brien of daylesford vic. farmer late 1800 1850 who had a daughter catherine (kitty) born 1851

  10. What a great site ! Congratulations.
    I am assisting a good mate, who in turn is helping his friend. Noonan/Lynch/Hayes/Easdown/Potter.
    We need all the help we can get, & you have made it a lot easier.
    How can we contact you ?
    cheers,

    Bruce Blain

  11. Hi James,
    My grandmother was Mary(Noonan) Collins.
    Your site is very informative,thank you. I know how difficult it is to get Irish records.
    My wife does much of the researching and we have a few certificates. We thought we had John and Daniel Noonan from Herald of the Morning but it did not seem quite right.However we are open to suggestions. I lived in Kyogle Street Lismore not far from the O’Briens.
    Cheers,Neville

    1. Neville, I tend to agree with you. I am now convinced that this Noonan family arrived in Sydney 1860, ship “Alfred”. Ellen 50, Daniel 30, Mary 22, Ellen 20.(Matthew dead husband)
      Ship “Herald of the Morning” which arrived in 1858, with John Noonan 30 & Daniel Noonan 21, seems to be incorrect. Parents in ships log, shown as Michael & Cath, with a note saying a Brother, James, is at New England.
      Mary Noonan wed John Smith, 1865, Braidwood. #1734.
      Mary Smith died 1893, Braidwood. Parents, Matthew & Ellen. #3687

      Did John arrive as a convict ?
      cheers,
      Bruce

      1. Hi Bruce,
        I often wondered if John was a convict but have not found record that would fit him. All the records we found indicate that John,Daniel,Mary and Ellen were one family with Matthew as father and mother as Ellen Kennedy (from d/c of Mary Smith nee Noonan)
        isn’t research fun?
        Cheers,Neville

        1. I’m tending to agree with you both as well. If I had a spare moment or two at the moment, I’d like to spend a bit of time trying to confirm it. This needs some serious work, I suspect.

    1. Absolute pleasure. I’m sorry I don’t think I have kept a copy of the scan, but I’m glad the text is at least useful.

  12. Hi
    My grandfather was Patrick Francis Noonan Son of Joseph Noonan and Mary Smith. I have records from National Archives which have Timothy Noonan and Wife Elira travelling to Australia from Limerick Ireland
    They arrived in 1841 on Portland They had 4 children Timothy John Thomas and Ellen. I believe the son John married Hannah Hayes. Very excited to find your wqeb site thank you

  13. Hi James,
    Bruce Blain in Adelaide has sent me a copy of Lyn Byrne’s comments Re Patrick Francis Noonan and Mary Smith. Claim is the family arrived in 1841 aboard ship Portland – four children Timothy, John, Thomas and Ellen.
    Do you place any credence on these claims as opposed to your other two scenarios??

    Geoffrey Hayes.

  14. Hi again James,
    A check of the Index of Misc. Immigrants into nsw reveals that there is no name for Noonan / Nunan on board as passengers on the Portland.
    Geoffrey Hayes.

    1. Geoff, thanks for the info, but obviously Lyn has some documentation which might help rule this in or out. Lyn it would be great to see those documents and put them here as source material. Hopefully this might help some others? Email to james (at) jamesobrien.id.au

  15. James
    just to confuse the issue of the Noonans and their arrival, the Daniel and John who arrived on the “Herald of the Morning” were chaperoning my great-grandmother, Johannah Quinn, an 18 year old who was on her way to join her sister Ellen, who had married their brother James in Kilbeheny, Limerick, 7/8/1855. James and Ellen arrived in sydney on board the “David McIvor” on 22/2/1856 and settled at Williams River, near Raymond Terrace, NSW, where they proceeded to have a large family. Some years later they moved to Woodford Island, Maclean, NSW. Johannah married Englishman Frederick Hayler in 1861 and settled in the Maitland area. We had wondered what happened to the Noonan brothers, now we know! Did you know the Herald of the Morning a short time later burned at the dock in Melbourne?

    1. Hello James and Valerie

      Great web page, James!

      I too am having a ‘John Noonan’ conundrum!

      Valerie, the James Noonan who married Ellen Quinn is a son of Michael Noonan (1798-1855) and Catherine Fox (1800-1858). If Daniel and John on the ‘Herald of the Morning’ are James’ brother then they too have Michael as a father. Of course I’m bot doubting what you say… in fact, I’m hoping you know this for sure to help me with my ‘John Noonan’ puzzle.

      So the John Noonan that died in Candelo 1904 was the son of a Matthew Noonan, I believe.

      To further complicate matters, our John Noonan (son of Michael) married Hannah Doherty!
      With 2 John’s and Hannah’s aas parents, i believe now that i have probably collected children for my John and Hannah that belong to the Candelo John and Hannah!!!

      I can’t find a cemetery inscription for either John, nor Hannah – NSW BDM has Hannah Noonan dying in the Ulmarra district 1916.

      They were married in Maitland in 1860.

      Hope this makes some sense to you both!

      If either of you can help out, that would be wonderful!

      1. Hi Lorna, it sounds like we have the same dilemma. I haven’t done much Noonan research lately, so everything I know is online. Hopefully others reading this may help. James

  16. HI I have Maurice Mahony m Mary Noonan in Kilbeheny 15/3/1858.
    Witness Edward Power and Catherine Noonan.
    They came to Port Fairy in 1864 with four children and two more born here.
    Hope we can make a connection.

    1. Clare, the eldest daughter of Maurice and Mary was Mary Josephane, she was the second wife to my gg-grandfather David HENNESSY. Do you know who the Ellen Mahony (age 24) was that they arrived with in 1864 onboard “Blanche Moore”? Are you a descendant of Maurice and Mary?

      1. Ellen Mahony was daughter of Philip Mahony (brother of Maurice) and Honora (Noonan), I believe. She was born in Kilbehenny on 12/10/1842. She married Michael Quinn when she was 22 in Port Fairy and died on 5/9/1871 at Crossley, Victoria. She had 2 offspring.

        1. Hello John (and Clare as well),

          We are currently attempting to confirm that my Great-Great-Great Grandfather, Philip Mahony (Kilbeheny) married Norry (Hanora) Noonan.

          Philip has been our brick wall for awhile. We did not have any information on his siblings. Of course, one of their sons is my Great-Great Grandfather. I would love to have any other information and would be pleased to hear from both of you. I stumbled upon this blog this evening and was very encouraged!

        2. Hi Michele, I have Philips birth/christening which shows he is a brother to my g g grandfather Mauurice and Clares ancestor Jeremiah also. You can email me at jvanheur@optusnet.com.au and I will gladly share what I have.

        3. I am so thrilled to have come across this information you have so kindly shared as it has answered some questions in my research. I am following up Johanna Fitzgerald, married firstly to John Mahony and later to Thomas Finn (my husband’s ancestor). All my evidence pointed to the Kilbehenny area but couldn’t confirm it.

        4. Hi Ber, it’s good to know the information has been useful. I still find the story quite confusing, though I’m sure with time and the collective wisdom of everyone researching this family we’ll eventually get a definitive answer. James

        5. I was given information which may or may not be relevant, but would be nice if confirmed. Edmond Finn born Cordangan was a journalist in for Port Phillip Herald and wrote articles about growing up in Cordangan, near Kilbehenny, in the 1820’s and 1830’s. Seemingly a Val Noonan also wrote from the same office, publishing an Irish – australian mag called Teig or Tieg.

        6. Hi Ber, that’s really interesting. Wonder if that’s where the journalism genes come from for me? Anyone know? James

        7. Just trying to connect this altogether. Who was Mary Noonan Married to Maurice Mahony descended from and was Philip’s Honora any relation?

        8. Hello Ber,
          I am descended from John Mahony and Johanna Fitzgerald, who were my GGG Grandparents. If you think I may be able to help you in any way feel free to contact me. My email is jvh_turk@hotmail.com

      2. Hi Andrew, I just found this site on Google while searching for David Hennessy. I think his first wife was Catherine Kelly who I am researching. Would love to chat. And….what a great website – all subjects I enjoy – thanks James.

  17. I am Edna Latham and my Great Grandparents James and Mary Ann Price arrived at Botany Bay Sydney Australia on 23 June 1858 sailing from Liverpool on the Herald of the Morning.
    I am wondering if you have a photo of this Sailing Ship or where I maybe able to obtain one? If you have this photo is it possible to send a copy onto me?
    Will pay any costs involved.
    Regards Edna.

    1. Dear Edna
      Unfortunately I do not have an image of the Herald Of The Morning. I wish I did. I have looked
      around the internet for some time without success, unfortunately. I
      will keep your details on file and if I come across one will happily
      send to you. Will also pass on any info from anyone else which comes through.
      James

  18. My gt grandfather was James Maher died Braidwood 1894 married Susanna Mary McManus. Her sister Maria Dunn McManus married James O’Brien Braidwood.
    Marie P Nightingale

  19. hi James
    your site is very informative but i was wondering would you or have you heard of this Noonan family
    they came from Ireland as well .. and researching a Irish family that arrived in western Australia is very hard
    ..then they went to newzealand haven’t the exact date as yet as to when they arrived in WA or NZ
    this is so far what i have
    as my mum passed last year and had this info ready for me….
    Edmund Joseph Noonan c1850-1939NZ married
    Mary Kelly c1856-1932 nz they had 8 children
    do not know if they had them in Ireland, Western Australia or New Zealand

    Arthur Montague Noonan

    Jeremiah Joseph Noonan

    Gladys Lilian Maud Noonan

    Margaret Frances Noonan

    William Patrick Noonan

    Violet Ethel Noonan

    Michael Noonan

    Joseph England Noonan b 1888 married Edith moss b1891**

    they had 3 children b in NZ

    Gloria Helene May Noonan
    Edmund Noel Noonan
    Gabrielle Violet Noonan is my aunt she married my mothers brother Christopher west in NZ …both have passed away and im trying to find out what happened to her fathers siblings
    its awful when you realy get into this tree thingie ..it very addictive
    hope you dont mind me asking you
    cheers for now Lanagene

  20. Hi John,

    I have Michael Hayes’ death certificate which shows he was married first to a Heartneady and then Ellen Roach. The children of his first marriage are listed as Honorah and Thomas. Honorah Hayes is my gg grandmother – and her father Michael has been difficult to track down.

    There is no information on his death certificate as to his parents or his birthplace, but the wedding certs verify Ireland although his son has listed NSW as where born.

    I’ve actually sent for the records for the ship George Seymour as a “guess” that it might be the correct Michael Hayes, but haven’t received it yet. Do you know what part of Ireland the family came from? The Heartneady’s came from Feakle and I was thinking that both families may have come from the same area.

    I really enjoyed reading your research,

    Thanks
    Therese Whalan (nee Hayes)

  21. Hi James,
    I still think that scenario 2 is the best fit so far. Too many things match up to ignore it. Scenario 3 would mean that John would have been 66 y. o when he married Hannah Hayes in 1867 and 102 when he died 1904.

  22. Just realised I was looking at the age of the father not the child. Still think sccenario 2 is best so far. I haven’t seen the names Timothy or Elira repeated anywhere in the family which seemed to be the thing to do. The names Ellen, Michael, Matthew, Mary and John seem to be a common thread.

  23. Hello James
    My name is Julie Smith and although enjoying searching family history , it can be difficult. I am fairly new to it but have visited Braidwood with dad and his two sisters to see where the Noonans settled before at least some headed north.

    My dad was born in Kyogle NSW. He had 11 siblings. His father is Michael Noonan son of Ellen Noonan. Michael and Matthew were both born in Braidwood in 1870 but also moved on to Kyogle and my dad knew Matthew Noonan.

    Ellen Noonan never married and Michael is listed as her only child. A difficulty I have come across in searching for certificates partly the surname change.We can only assume that as Michael was raised for a while with Ellens married sister Mary and her husband John Ovender Smith that he picked up the surname.They certainly enjoy playing with names, I have also
    been told that Ellen Noonan was known as grannie smith but so far I have not found her death certificate.

    It is great to read about John Noonan as dad knew a little about him. A local historian suggested that John and Daniel came out earlier on Herald of the Morning and that Daniel returned to escort his mother and sisters on the Alfred which arrived in Jan 1860. I don’t know if he had time to do this however we were told the difference in age for Daniel on the two trips would be normal for him to travel back again. A bit of a mystery. Also where they came from. Any information appreciated. Apologies for long email.

    Julie Smith

    I

    1. Hi Julie, nice to hear from you. Glad you’re enjoying family history research, even though it’s sometimes difficult, and confusing, especially when you have all of those names repeated over several generations like the Irish did. As well as Births, Deaths and Marriages, I’m starting to find http://trove.nla.gov.au to be a really good site, as you can find lots of obituaries which can fill in details about brothers, sisters and other relatives. Hope this helps you with your research also. James

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  25. Hey James

    I hope your still replying to the comments on here as I see it’s been a few years

    I am a g g grandaughter of Ellen Noonan who came over on the “Alfred”.

    She had a son Michael Smith… who was illegitimate, he is my g grandfather.

    And then she just dissappears!! No death cert. anywhere, and I know she never married.

    I recently had a brain wave that she may have been married as a Smith, and I believe I found her buried as and Ellen Smith at Coraki Cemetery .. which is about half an hr from Casino. Then the plot thickens as in front of her is an another Ellen Smith that would be old enough to be her mother ! Married to a Patrick Smith, and then lots of other graves around that are also connected.

    Also to make this even more intense, my grandmother Ivy May Smith grew up in Kyogle and a farm in Ettrick where they lived for many years.

    I’d love your take on this because the more I research the more confusing it is!

  26. The John and Eliza Nunan / Noonan on the Portland were my husband’s gg-grandparents. They are buried in West Dapto Cemetery. Their son John married Elizabeth Donnelly and eventually settled in the Moruya area. We have info on this family 2 generations back in Limerick and are willing to share. Interested in any Nunans from Limerick.

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